From owner-constitution@andromeda.68k.org Tue Aug 26 00:01:24 1997 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 02:00:13 -0500 From: owner-constitution-digest@lsmsaaa.org (LSMSAAA Constitution Digest) To: constitution-digest@68k.org Subject: LSMSAAA Constitution Digest V1 #5 Reply-To: constitution@andromeda.68k.org Sender: owner-constitution-digest@lsmsaaa.org Errors-To: owner-constitution-digest@lsmsaaa.org Precedence: bulk LSMSAAA Constitution Digest Tuesday, August 26 1997 Volume 01 : Number 005 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 03:14:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Dennis Voss Subject: Re: Section 2 revised On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Brian Beavers wrote: > I agree with you on dropping the "supporting member" designation; it would > make things simpler. Maybe this part, unlike the "Adjunct Member" part, is something we could decide now in the abstract. We don't need the "Supporting Member" distinction merely as a waystation to Lifetime Membership, as you can see by the fact that the definition of Lifetime Member never makes reference to the category. So the only argument for retaining it is if someone wanted to make sure Supporting Members got something extra for their money other than credit. Does anyone foresee making this sort of distinction? Or is it OK for me to drop the "Supporting Member" category from the draft? In a pinch we an always come back and add it. But this debate is making me think I should never have included it in the first place. Four categories would have been enough. I will distribute a new draft that removes Supporting Membership and changes the label for Active Membership. We can use that as the new working draft, unless someone objects to either of these changes. steve - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- D. Stephen Voss (dsvoss@wjh.harvard.edu) Eat your beans, then some mutton, Department of Government, GSAS don't pee ... and go on looking Harvard University after you obsession! Oh! my hypothesis! M-38 Littauer Bldg. Oh! my fame! I shall be immortal! Immortal! Cambridge, MA 02138 Doktor (from Wozzeck) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 03:23:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Dennis Voss Subject: Re: log (fwd) Brian sent me this message, but it's a question of general interest: - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:17:37 -0500 From: Brian Beavers Hey steve, is anyone keeping an archive of the VCC? I still have everyting and wouldn't mind maintaining it if you see the need for it. I could put it on my homepage or maybe put it on lsmsaaa.org so it can be easily accessed. What do you think? Brian ANSWER: I am trying to maintain a log of the entire VCC debate. I doubt this would be of much interest to anyone, unless a conflict over constitutional interpretation emerged later within the LSMSAAA. But it would be good to have a few years down the road if any such fight did spring up. If only James Madison had computerized the constitutional debate! (By the way, you should keep in the back of your mind that we need a system for resolving conflicts of this sort -- a "Supreme Court." I will have a proposal, but it's kinda off-the-wall so other solutions might be helpful.) In terms of posting something on the Web, I was thinking we could post the working draft of each section after it passes through our first stage of cleaning up and clarifying. Does that seem a good level of information to make available? steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 02:27:50 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael J. Pruett" Subject: Re: log (fwd) > Hey steve, is anyone keeping an archive of the VCC? I still have everyting > and wouldn't mind maintaining it if you see the need for it. I could put it > on my homepage or maybe put it on lsmsaaa.org so it can be easily accessed. > What do you think? > > Brian We are archiving the list in the same manner the other lists are archived. I can make these digests available on the web if there's interest. (The same goes for the other two lists' digests.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 03:33:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Dennis Voss Subject: Re: log (fwd) On Thu, 21 Aug 1997, Michael J. Pruett wrote: > We are archiving the list in the same manner the other lists are > archived. I can make these digests available on the web if there's > interest. (The same goes for the other two lists' digests.) Michael, will it be easy to get a quick dump of the entire traffic when this is done, so that we can put it in a few safe storage locations? Or does that take some difficulty on your end? steve - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- D. Stephen Voss (dsvoss@wjh.harvard.edu) Eat your beans, then some mutton, Department of Government, GSAS don't pee ... and go on looking Harvard University after you obsession! Oh! my hypothesis! M-38 Littauer Bldg. Oh! my fame! I shall be immortal! Immortal! Cambridge, MA 02138 Doktor (from Wozzeck) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 03:44:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Dennis Voss Subject: Section 2 (v. 3) Here is a new working draft of Section 2 on Membership. It makes three changes from the last version: (1) It removes the "Supporting Member" distinction (although it does not at all repair Charles' concerns with the complexity of the two-tiered dues system). (2) It uses the label "Graduate Member" rather than "Active Member". (3) It indirectly clarifies that the term "Active Member" now applies to any LSMSAAA member who's not "Inactive." (See under Unregistered Members.) steve 2. MEMBERSHIP Anyone ever associated with the Louisiana School -- either as a student, a member of the faculty, or a member of the staff -- is automatically a member of the LSMSAAA. 2.1 Types of Membership The LSMSAAA will have four levels of membership, as follows: (a) Inactive Member - Any member of the LSMSAAA who has not paid dues, according to the requirements of Article 3 below, and is not already a Lifetime Member. (b) Adjunct Member - Any member of the LSMSAAA who has met the dues requirements (regular or lifetime) of Article 3 below, but is not a graduate of the Louisiana School and does not hold Lifetime Membership. (c) Graduate Member - Any graduate of the Louisiana School who has met the dues requirements (regular or lifetime) of Article 3 below, but is not a Lifetime Member. (d) Lifetime Member - Any member of the LSMSAAA who has met the Article 3 dues requirements for Lifetime Membership 10 times (whether consecutively or not). 2.2 Unregistered Members Individual members are responsible for notifying the LSMSAAA of their current address(es). Any member who has not provided the LSMSAAA Recording Secretary with a current, valid address (electronic or U.S. mail) becomes an Unregistered Member, regardless of dues status, until such time as the Recording Secretary receives an updated address. An active member (i.e., Adjunct, Graduate, or Lifetime) who fails to maintain registration temporarily loses the right to any communications from the LSMSAAA and its Executive Council -- but does not forfeit any other rights or privileges (e.g., voting rights or credit toward Lifetime Membership) concomitant with current dues status. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- D. Stephen Voss (dsvoss@wjh.harvard.edu) Eat your beans, then some mutton, Department of Government, GSAS don't pee ... and go on looking Harvard University after you obsession! Oh! my hypothesis! M-38 Littauer Bldg. Oh! my fame! I shall be immortal! Immortal! Cambridge, MA 02138 Doktor (from Wozzeck) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:14:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andre' DeHon" Subject: Re: [Brian's] Section 2 revised > > On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, Charles Lin wrote: > > > > > Maybe this sounds a bit radical, but if this is the case, perhaps > we > > > should come up with a better name. LSMSA Auxiliary, or something > like > > > that. I think neither the RAs, the current students, nor some of > the > > > faculty realize that they are considered members of this > organization. > > > > The organization's name is actually part of the Statement of Purpose > > section (i.e., Section 1). Once we hammer out a statement of > purpose, > > your alternate may make much more sense than the current name. Or > it may > > not. Shall we debate the title along with Section 1 later (with the > > understanding that I will go through the document and replace > "LSMSAAA" > > with its successor)? > > > Okay. But if we are including all these affiliated persons, then > perhaps we should communicate more with them. That's all I'm saying. The alumni list [lsmsa@lsmsaaa.org and it's predecessors] has always been open to this larger group -- in fact a slightly larger group since it also include current faculty/staff and parents. So, any of these people who have wanted have been added to the list....and everyone on the list got Steve's message about the VCC. As we get further along, I assume we will be posting updates to the list, so people will get the opportunity to see what's going on. Andre' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:34:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andre' DeHon" Subject: Re: Section 2 revised Good. Sorting out orthogonal issues and judging them on their own merits is always worthwhile. > Maybe this part, unlike the "Adjunct Member" part, is something we could > decide now in the abstract. We don't need the "Supporting Member" > distinction merely as a waystation to Lifetime Membership, as you can see > by the fact that the definition of Lifetime Member never makes reference > to the category. > > So the only argument for retaining it is if someone wanted to make sure > Supporting Members got something extra for their money other than credit. > Does anyone foresee making this sort of distinction? Or is it OK for me > to drop the "Supporting Member" category from the draft? I think (though you might have to ask Scot Nicholson '85 or some of his associates to be sure) the original intent of "Supporting Member" was: * an opportunity to channel more money to LSMSA You generally have to give someone something to help get them over the hump to donate more money to your cause. The title "Supporting" was a way of "recognizing" members for their contribution. Most of you may still be a bit young to be in college alumni groups, but they will generally have different catagories. e.g. $20/yr -> member $50/yr -> blue club member $100/yr -> gold club member $500/yr -> platinum club member $1000/yr -> diamond club member (and you get your name on a chair in the auditorium after 5 years...) They will often reinforce this by publishing the names of people in each membership category (or, at least, the upper ones) in newsletters to "recognize" their committment to their alma matter. I do have a vague memory of seeing a list of supporting members in some very early newsletters. The culmination of 10xSupporting-->no more dues was another one of the "rewards" to encourage people to become supporting members. Andre' ------------------------------ End of LSMSAAA Constitution Digest V1 #5 ****************************************