From owner-constitution@andromeda.68k.org Tue Aug 19 00:01:15 1997 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 02:00:36 -0500 From: owner-constitution-digest@lsmsaaa.org (LSMSAAA Constitution Digest) To: constitution-digest@68k.org Subject: LSMSAAA Constitution Digest V1 #3 Reply-To: constitution@andromeda.68k.org Sender: owner-constitution-digest@lsmsaaa.org Errors-To: owner-constitution-digest@lsmsaaa.org Precedence: bulk LSMSAAA Constitution Digest Tuesday, August 19 1997 Volume 01 : Number 003 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 05:16:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Dennis Voss Subject: Re: Membership On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Andre' DeHon wrote: > > 2.1 Types of Membership > > The LSMSAAA will have five levels of membership, as follows: > > (a) Inactive Member - Any member of the LSMSAAA who has not > > paid dues for the fiscal year, according to the requirements of Article 3 > > below. > > (b) Adjunct Member - Any member of the LSMSAAA who is not a > > graduate of the Louisiana School but has met the dues > > requirements (regular or lifetime) of Article 3 below. > > The wording in (b) about dues seems more explicit than that in > (a). You are correct that the wording in (a) fails to mention Lifetime Members, and should do so. Otherwise, (a) was intentionally vague because it should hold up no matter how the section on Dues is organized. Failure to mention "fiscal year" is not a problem, for example, since the dues requirements of Article 3 can be specified as annual (my draft does). Updated proposal for 2.1 (a): (a) Inactive Member - Any member of the LSMSAAA who has not paid dues, according to the requirements of Article 3 below, and is not already a Lifetime Member. > > 2.2 Unregistered Members > What's the purpose of this distinction? It seems to codify what > must happen. I guess this makes explicit that it is the individual > member's responsibility to keep the origanization updated with their > address (rather than the organization's to keep track of the individuals). > If that's the case, maybe we should start it out by saying such. One problem with the LSMSAAA, as I see it, is the lack of any guarantee that the organization will perform a service for members. The officers can put out a publication once every two years, and a member has no explicit grievance. If we write a communications responsibility into the Constitution, as I will urge later, we need an escape clause such as this. > Individual members of LSMSAAA are responsible for notifying the > organization of their current address(es). Any member of the LSMSAAA who > has not provided the LSMSAAA Secretary with a current, valid address > (electronic or U.S. mail) becomes an Unregistered Member, regardless of > dues status. This language is fine, and perhaps more direct. I will work it into the original as a replacement, and distribute a version of Section 2 reflecting your wording. > "Recording Secretary" -- are we reverting to two secretaries? or > are we now calling the one secretary recording? The proper time to debate this is when we deal with the Executive Committee section. Obviously if we end up not having a Recording Secretary, an appropriate officer title will need to be placed here (whoever keeps the membership database). But I needed to use *something* now, and that's the officer in my draft who made the most sense. Don't let the specificity distract you. steve - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- D. Stephen Voss (dsvoss@wjh.harvard.edu) Eat your beans, then some mutton, Department of Government, GSAS don't pee ... and go on looking Harvard University after you obsession! Oh! my hypothesis! M-38 Littauer Bldg. Oh! my fame! I shall be immortal! Immortal! Cambridge, MA 02138 Doktor (from Wozzeck) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 21:19:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Dennis Voss Subject: no response Virtual Constitutional Convention message: Hi folks. My post about the membership clause has received only one response, from Andre. That's fine if my draft is so uncontroversial we should move one, but not if we are having technical difficulties on either end. So, since the VCC list is new, could everyone receiving these VCC messages post a quick note to the VCC mailing list? Maybe you could introduce yourselves so everyone would know who's taking part... Address: constitution@lsmsaaa.org Incidentally, I take Andre's point that a more controversial starting provision might have raised your interest better than a more technical one (i.e., on membership). But my experience with committees is that once one nasty clash takes place, everybody gets defensive and suspicious. So better to get the workaday stuff out of the way, if all of you are willing. Dues are next, and that should be worthy of more debate. Thanks, steve - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- D. Stephen Voss (dsvoss@wjh.harvard.edu) Eat your beans, then some mutton, Department of Government, GSAS don't pee ... and go on looking Harvard University after you obsession! Oh! my hypothesis! M-38 Littauer Bldg. Oh! my fame! I shall be immortal! Immortal! Cambridge, MA 02138 Doktor (from Wozzeck) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 22:46:40 -0500 From: Danny Bougere Subject: Re: no response Hi. No problems receiving for me, and the wording seemed fine to me on the first provision. Oh, for those of you that don't know me, I'm Danny Bougere, Class of '96. Want to know anything else, email me below. - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Daniel Paul Bougere, Jr. LSMSA Class of 1996 Histor, Tau Kappa Epsilon Pi Psi 176 dbougere@ocean.st.usm.edu http://ocean.st.usm.edu/~dbougere/ "I believe that any deadline, no matter how far given in advance, is unreasonable." --Procrastinator's Creed "Some people never find it, some only pretend. But me, I just want to live happily ever after, every now and then." - --Jimmy Buffet "Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie!' until you can find a rock." --Anonymous "I don't have a drinking problem. I drink, I get drunk, I fall down. No problem." --Anonymous ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 00:07:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Dennis Voss Subject: Section 2 revised Message from Virtual Constitutional Convention: This is an updated version of Section 2 on Membership. It incorporates Andre Dehon's suggested changes, but is substantively the same as the first version I distributed. steve 2. MEMBERSHIP Anyone ever associated with the Louisiana School -- either as a student, a member of the faculty, or a member of the staff -- is automatically a member of the LSMSAAA. 2.1 Types of Membership The LSMSAAA will have five levels of membership, as follows: (a) Inactive Member - Any member of the LSMSAAA who has not paid dues, according to the requirements of Article 3 below, and is not already a Lifetime Member. (b) Adjunct Member - Any member of the LSMSAAA who has met the dues requirements (regular or lifetime) of Article 3 below, but is not a graduate of the Louisiana School and does not hold Lifetime Membership. (c) Active Member - Any graduate of the Louisiana School who has met the regular dues requirements of Article 3 below, but is not a Lifetime Member. (d) Supporting Active Member - Any graduate of the Louisiana School who has met the lifetime dues requirements of Article 3 below, but is not yet a Lifetime Member. (e) Lifetime Active Member - Any member of the LSMSAAA who has met the Article 3 dues requirements for Lifetime Membership 10 times (whether consecutively or not). 2.2 Unregistered Members Individual members are responsible for notifying the LSMSAAA of their current address(es). Any member who has not provided the LSMSAAA Recording Secretary with a current, valid address (electronic or U.S. mail) becomes an Unregistered Member, regardless of dues status, until such time as the Recording Secretary receives an updated address. An unregistered member temporarily loses the right to any communications from the LSMSAAA and its Executive Council -- but does not forfeit any other rights or privileges (e.g., voting rights or credit toward Lifetime Membership) concomitant with current dues status. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- D. Stephen Voss (dsvoss@wjh.harvard.edu) Eat your beans, then some mutton, Department of Government, GSAS don't pee ... and go on looking Harvard University after you obsession! Oh! my hypothesis! M-38 Littauer Bldg. Oh! my fame! I shall be immortal! Immortal! Cambridge, MA 02138 Doktor (from Wozzeck) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 00:10:42 -0500 From: "The Donald Lama" Subject: Re: no response Hi. I'm from the class of 1993. I'm at home in Alexandria, Louisiana. I will soon have a job, after sinus surgery next month. I'm very happy to be a part of the Constitution Convention, here on the Internet. Best, DRC - -- | Donald R. Caplan | University of Virginia, Class of 1997 | | roosevelt@linknet.net | http://faraday.clas.virignia.edu/~drc4s | | Phone: 318-487-8888 | | - ---------- > From: Dennis Voss > To: Virtual Constitutional Convention > Subject: no response > Date: Monday, August 18, 1997 8:19 PM > > Virtual Constitutional Convention message: > > Hi folks. My post about the membership clause has received only one > response, from Andre. That's fine if my draft is > so uncontroversial we should move one, but not if we are having technical > difficulties on either end. So, since the VCC list is new, could everyone > receiving these VCC messages post a quick note to the VCC mailing list? > Maybe you could introduce yourselves so everyone would know who's taking > part... > > Address: constitution@lsmsaaa.org > > Incidentally, I take Andre's point that a more controversial starting > provision might have raised your interest better than a more technical > one (i.e., on membership). But my experience with committees is that once > one nasty clash takes place, everybody gets defensive and suspicious. > So better to get the workaday stuff out of the way, if all of you are > willing. Dues are next, and that should be worthy of more debate. > > Thanks, > steve > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - > D. Stephen Voss (dsvoss@wjh.harvard.edu) Eat your beans, then some mutton, > Department of Government, GSAS don't pee ... and go on looking > Harvard University after you obsession! Oh! my hypothesis! > M-38 Littauer Bldg. Oh! my fame! I shall be immortal! Immortal! > Cambridge, MA 02138 Doktor (from Wozzeck) > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - > ------------------------------ End of LSMSAAA Constitution Digest V1 #3 ****************************************