From owner-constitution@andromeda.68k.org Tue Sep 16 00:01:27 1997 Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 02:00:07 -0500 From: owner-constitution-digest@lsmsaaa.org (LSMSAAA Constitution Digest) To: constitution-digest@68k.org Subject: LSMSAAA Constitution Digest V1 #11 Reply-To: constitution@andromeda.68k.org Sender: owner-constitution-digest@lsmsaaa.org Errors-To: owner-constitution-digest@lsmsaaa.org Precedence: bulk LSMSAAA Constitution Digest Tuesday, September 16 1997 Volume 01 : Number 011 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 10:06:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Dennis Voss Subject: lags Message to the Virtual Constitutional Convention: Here's a report on what we've accomplished so far -- (1) We worked through a preliminary draft of the section on Membership, although Charles Lin may submit a more drastic revision soon. (2) We've debated the section on Dues, although with few participants, and it is undergoing revision to reflect Andre's advice. (3) I am presenting the section on officer eligibility today. Going with officer eligibility before officer duties isn't necessarily logical, but the eligibility section is shorter and less complicated. Given the silence in the convention "halls" I figured we needed something short with transparent implications. steve - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- D. Stephen Voss (dsvoss@wjh.harvard.edu) Eat your beans, then some mutton, Department of Government, GSAS don't pee ... and go on looking Harvard University after you obsession! Oh! my hypothesis! M-38 Littauer Bldg. Oh! my fame! I shall be immortal! Immortal! Cambridge, MA 02138 Doktor (from Wozzeck) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 10:20:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Dennis Voss Subject: Section 7.1 -- Officer Eligibility Here is the section on officer eligibility. It is only part of Section 7, which deals with all matters of officer succession (both through election and through elimination). This portion is short and straightforward, and therefore may overcome the silence we had with the technically complicated Dues Section. It makes the following substantive changes: (1) It restricts Adjunct Members of the LSMSAAA (i.e., people who neither graduated from LSMSA nor have paid for a Lifetime Membership) from serving as President or Vice President. If the LSMSAAA President ever becomes an ex officio member of the Board of Directors, we want it to be someone with a permanent commitment to protecting the prestige of LSMSA degrees. (2) It removes the requirement that Natchitoches Liaison be an active LSMSAAA member, and also allows other members of the Executive Council to serve as Natchitoches Liaison. My reasoning: the pool of eligible officers for Liaison will always be smallest, so pretty much anyone who lives around the town and is willing to do the job should be eligible. (3) It forbids paid employees of LSMSA or the Board of Directors from serving as elected officers. One exception: the Liaison job. The reason for the rule is to help ensure LSMSAAA independence. The reason for the exception is, as with #2 above, to broaden the base for Liaison as much as possible. Also, whereas working for the school might be a conflict of interest for most officers, it probably helps one do a *better* job as Liaison. My purpose was not to protect Rachel in particular -- we always could do that with a Grandmother Clause in the Transition Section. steve 7.1 Eligibility to hold office (a) The President and Vice President of the LSMSAAA each must be a Graduate Member or Lifetime Member; no others may assume these posts through election, succession or appointment. (b) The Treasurer and Recording Secretary each must be an active member of the LSMSAAA. (c) The Natchitoches Liaison must be a member of the LSMSAAA who resides within 75 miles of Natchitoches or is a student enrolled at Northwestern State University. (d) No President, Vice President, Treasurer or Recording Secretary of the LSMSAAA may be employed by the Louisiana School or the LSMSA Board of Supervisors, if such a job provides any form of remuneration. The Natchitoches and Louisiana School liaisons may hold such employment. (e) No one may hold two LSMSAAA Executive Council offices simultaneously, with one exception: serving as Natchitoches Liaison does not preclude holding another post. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- D. Stephen Voss (dsvoss@wjh.harvard.edu) Eat your beans, then some mutton, Department of Government, GSAS don't pee ... and go on looking Harvard University after you obsession! Oh! my hypothesis! M-38 Littauer Bldg. Oh! my fame! I shall be immortal! Immortal! Cambridge, MA 02138 Doktor (from Wozzeck) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 21:58:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andre' DeHon" Subject: Re: Section 7.1 -- Officer Eligibility Sounds basically acceptable. I'll just pick a few nits. > 7.1 Eligibility to hold office > (a) The President and Vice President of the LSMSAAA each > must be a Graduate Member or Lifetime Member; no others may > assume these posts through election, succession or appointment. > (b) The Treasurer and Recording Secretary each must be an > active member of the LSMSAAA. > (c) The Natchitoches Liaison must be a member of the LSMSAAA > who resides within 75 miles of Natchitoches or is a student > enrolled at Northwestern State University. Ok if Natchitoches Liaison is an Inactive member? > (d) No President, Vice President, Treasurer or Recording > Secretary of the LSMSAAA may be employed by the Louisiana School > or the LSMSA Board of Supervisors, if such a job provides any > form of remuneration. The Natchitoches and Louisiana School > liaisons may hold such employment. What's the "Board of Supervisors"? --> Board of Directors? (mentioned in intro)? We want the pres. to be a member of the Board of Directors...so this shouldn't be a proscription which prevents that. Are you trying to also prevent other LSMSAAA EC members from being board members (say, if they got the position by direct appointment rather than ex officio)? You do specify "job providing remuneration" -- and being a member of the board of directors is (as far as I know) a non-paid job. So you're trying to get at something else. Outlawing people like the school's law firm who are employed by the board from taking EC office? > (e) No one may hold two LSMSAAA Executive Council offices > simultaneously, with one exception: serving as Natchitoches > Liaison does not preclude holding another post. You'll tell us later, but I'm, of course, curious what this does to EC voting/quorum/ties... (if the Natchitoches Liaison also holds another EC office). Andre' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:34:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Dennis Voss Subject: Re: Section 7.1 -- Officer Eligibility On Sun, 14 Sep 1997, Andre' DeHon wrote: > Ok if Natchitoches Liaison is an Inactive member? Yes, that was the intention. > What's the "Board of Supervisors"? > --> Board of Directors? (mentioned in intro)? Yes, sorry, my mistake. Used the term from LSU. > You do specify "job providing remuneration" -- and being a member > of the board of directors is (as far as I know) a non-paid job. Exactly. Being an actual *member* of the Board is not the same thing as being an *employee* of the Board. If you are concerned, I could add a specific exclusion of per diems from what is considered "remuneration." I'll give you an example of what I'm trying to prevent: Last May the school negotiated with me about the possibility of taking a job there. If I had accepted, I would have become dependent upon LSMSA for my livelihood. Such a situation clearly would limit my independence. The LSMSAAA President shouldn't be so vulnerable. steve - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- D. Stephen Voss (dsvoss@wjh.harvard.edu) Eat your beans, then some mutton, Department of Government, GSAS don't pee ... and go on looking Harvard University after you obsession! Oh! my hypothesis! M-38 Littauer Bldg. Oh! my fame! I shall be immortal! Immortal! Cambridge, MA 02138 Doktor (from Wozzeck) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of LSMSAAA Constitution Digest V1 #11 *****************************************